Podcasting Never Died! There Is No Need of a “Resurrection”

by Cliff Ravenscraft on September 5, 2012

This afternoon, I sat down to do some work, hoping not to get distracted by too much. However, against my better judgement, I decided to make a quick post on Facebook and Twitter. While on Twitter, I saw the following post that was directed to myself and a few friends.

Intrigued by the message, I clicked through to find a blog post by Mitch Joel titled The Resurrection of Podcasting. In the post, Mitch suggested that “Podcasting was supposed to be “the next big thing.’” By this, he explained that the expectation that podcasting would “create an entirely new genre with an even more impressive roster of new thinkers.” He then goes on to state that… “It hasn’t happened.”

He says.. “Some will blame the fact that it’s called ‘podcasting,’ while others will claim that it’s still not intuitive or easy to find and download the content.” Had he stopped here, I would have likely got back on track, working on the projects that I had hoped to work on this afternoon. However, then Mitch wrote… “Everyone will agree that it (podcasting) hasn’t exploded in popularity like blogging has, and that it’s even harder to figure out where the money is when it comes to podcasting.”

I’m writing this blog post to state that I Do Not Agree!

I started blogging in 1996. For the first 5 to 6 years, everyone asked… “What is a blog?” Today, I don’t know many people who don’t know what a blog is. It took several years for blogging to go “mainstream.”

Podcasting got it start in 2004/2005. Yes, “some” predicted that it would kill radio (I never agreed with them). Some believed that it would be a platform where podcast shows would be created and could be sold at massive profits (I felt these people completely missed the main benefits that podcasting offered). Some predicted that advertisers would be falling at the feet of podcast producers, begging us to take their “ad dollars” to broadcast their message to our audiences (While not so drastically, I do see many advertisers who are very eager to sponsor podcasts today and the trend is growing).

Yes, there was a lot of “hype” built up around podcasting in 2005/2006. Since then, there have been a number of people who only viewed podcasting from a “profit angle” that have declared that “podcasting is dead.” Though, the most prominent person who has ever said this will end 2012 with more than FOUR MILLION DOLLARS in ad revenue from PODCASTING in 2012. If you want to fact check that, please see my interview with Leo Laporte at http://PodcastAnswerMan.com/leointerview.

Resurrection of podcasting? The fact is that it never died! Sure, some people gave up on it. However, I was able to leave my very successful career in insurance, after 11 years, to go into podcasting full-time back in 2008, only two years after I began podcasting as a hobby. My view on how to monetize one’s efforts in podcasting has changed over the years. However, there is one thing that I do know as a fact. The number of those who listen to podcasts has grown every single year since podcasting has started.

Through one-on-one coaching and consulting, online training courses, and my own podcast about podcasting, I’ve helped thousands of people launch brand new podcasts. Most new podcasters have successfully reached into a new niche/target audience and has gained new “podcast subscribers” who had never heard of a podcast before.

These people, once they “get it,” typically become podcast listening enthusiasts and many do abandon their old habits of listening to “radio” and instead enjoy the benefits of listening to what they want, when they want to listen to it, and they love that it is portable and that they can listen to it wherever they like.

The best thing is that I, as a public speaker, can stand in a room in front of 1,000 people. I can explain to them what a podcast is. I can then ask the audience to pull out their iPhone, Android phone, Blackberry, etc (Including iPad, Nexus Tablet, Kindle Fire, etc) and I can walk them through, step by step, on how to install a free app on their device and subscribe to a podcast in under ten minutes.

When I’m not speaking in front of crowds of people, I’m happy to do this with people, one on one, everywhere I go. I consistently get people who write to me days, weeks, or months later, thanking me for introducing them to the world of podcasting and the ever growing catalog of content created by an increasing roster of impressive new speakers.

Edison Research has done a great job of tracking the impact of podcasting. In it’s 2012 report, you will find that the percentage of Americans who have ever listened to an audio podcast has grown to 29%. Also, one in four podcast consumers plug their MP3 players or smartphones into their car audio system “nearly every day.” Source: http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2012/05/the-podcast-consumer-2012.php

From 2005 through 2007, I had argued that podcasting was still in it’s infancy stage. From 2008 through 2011, I argued that podcasting was in it’s toddler stage. In Mitch’s post, he wrote that he “feels like podcasting is about to turn a corner” and that “these treasure troves of content are gaining mainstream attention. It is with this statement that I totally agree!

It’s just that I can not sit by and allow anyone to declare that podcasting has ever “died” or that it has ever been in need of any type of “resurrection” just because a handful of thought leaders had “written off” the medium of podacsting.

Podcasting never died and has never been in need of a “resurrection!”

For those who say that getting podcast content is too difficult to consume, tell that to the growing number of people who doesn’t know how to attach a file to an email but know how to subscribe to and liste podcasts on their smart phones. The ability to subscribe to podcasts in a car is already starting to emerge. Oh… And the to those who blame the term “podcasting” for anything… To them… I say… “Have you ever heard of BLOGGING?” Enough said!

One last thing. I think it is applaudable that people who are already in the mainstream are creating podcast content that is introducing entire new audiences, in mass, to the world of podcasting. I’m thankful for the Kevin Roses, Alec Baldwins, and Chris Hardwicks of the world. However, let us not discount the hard work of tens of thousands of content creators that have never “written off” the podcasting platform and who have been working, with great effort, to market to and educate the non-tech community on the benefits of podcast content. The RESEARCH shows that we have done an amazing job!

Viva La Podcasting!

21 comments
JoanStewart
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Paul, if somebody invites you to be a guest on their hour-long podcast, and you don't know them, what criteria do you use to determine whether that might be an hour of wasted time, or one hour very well spent? I get a fair number of invitations and sure would like to be able to vet these hosts bewfore I say yes.     

Cliff Ravenscraft
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 @JoanStewart Not sure who Paul is, that you are referring to.  However, I'll take a quick stab at this.  Here's just a few things that I check out before accepting an invitation to be a guest on someone's show.

 

1) Do they have more than ten episodes?  I only accept invites to be on a show that has a minimum of 10 episodes or that I am almost certain will be an ongoing show.   

 

2) I look at the niche topic/focus of the podcast.  Will that show's target audience be interested in the message that I have to share?  Would I want that audience to come and check out my show?

 

3) I evaluate the host(s) of the show for professionalism.  I'm not saying that I don't do interviews for hobbyists.  I simply mean that I only do interviews where the host(s) take what they are doing seriously.

 

4) I evaluate the content of the show.  I turned down several interview requests because when I had check out recent episodes of the show I was invited to be a guest on had a lot of foul language, was too highly political, etc.

 

5) I make sure to get a feel for why I am being interviewed on the show.

 

Let me explain this last one.  I was once invited to be a guest on a 60 minute podcast.  I agreed to it and it took over 90 minutes to record their 60 minute show and I was expected to be a panelist to discuss general technology for a special edition of their show.

 

Out of the 90 minutes I spent connected via Skype, I probably got a total of 10 to 15 minutes of airtime on the show and it was nothing that truly highlighted my area of expertise.

 

Today, I make sure that the person there wants me there to bring my area of expert advice to their audience.

 

These are just a few of the things I look into!

JoanStewart
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 @Cliff Ravenscraft  @JoanStewart  Cliff, I really appreciate this list. I can see you are painstaking about doing your research before accepting. I'm going to keep this list close at hand.

 

Sorry about the "Paul" reference. I had been reading a blog post from Paul Colligan who saw your post here and responded to it at his own blog with an enthusiastic message saying that, of course, podcasting is still alive and kicking.  

 

Cliff Ravenscraft
Cliff Ravenscraft moderator

 @JoanStewart Ah. That makes sense.  I know Paul. :)   Glad this answer was helpful to you.  

 

I hope you have an amazing week! Sincerely, Cliff

colligan
colligan

@gspn Good piece Cliff.

GSPN
GSPN

@colligan Thanks Paul!

Greg Allen
Greg Allen

Hey Cliff. Well I would have to concur with your assessment here. After I read your blog I went over to the linked website to find out more about this person. First, it is interesting to note that a person that prides himself as a marketing professional complaining about the inability to market his product. With that said his podcasting title and explanation left me wondering what he will be talking about, which keeps me from even clicking on it to begin with. So normally I wouldn't get past the title and explanation. (issue #1) However to be somewhat knowledgable I am sampling his podcasts. From a production stand point they are not very well polished as the audio quality is horrible. (issue #2) This makes it really hard to listen to. (I currently don't have a job and managed to purchase a Heil PR40.) Also from a personal perspective his topics are not appealing to me. It seems very niche. (issue #1) Lastly I believe podcasting will become more mainstream as people are busy and would prefer to listen while moving around rather than spending the time to sit and read a blog. Personally I don't typically read blogs but do listen to podcasts because they are readily available (such listening in my car). I hope this is taken as constructive and not a negative.  

stevelubetkin
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I began my podcasting production practice right around the 2005-2006 timeframe when Mitch and others were first evangelizing for this robust communications technique. I realized that corporations would use this technology if the content was professionally produced and sounded like NPR. Since that time, we've produced audio and video content from clients that has garnered half a dozen awards from the communications professional organizations we belong to. We've had more than 600,000 downloads of our audio podcasts, and tens of thousands of views of our video content. The point of podcasting for businesses, however, is not to be viral or trendy. It is to allow the business to showcase its subject matter expertise, or its thought leadership in its industry sector, so they can demonstrate their ability to solve the business problems of their target audience. It doesn't matter if we don't get millions of downloads for a podcast, if we get the right 2,000 downloads from people who need our client's information. It's also important to realize that a podcasting strategy that includes regularly publishing high quality audio and video, properly metatagged and keyworded, and delivered through a robust CMS-based website (we love WordPress for this), will raise your visibility quite effectively in search results, without resorting to SEO/SEM games that risk getting you spanked by Google. Organic production of audio and video content is one of the best things you can do to raise your visibility. That's why podcasting should be part of every company's social media strategy. Steve "@PodcastSteve" Lubetkin Managing Partner, Lubetkin Global Communications/Professional Podcasts LLC steve@professionalpodcasts.com www.lubetkin.net

Cliff Ravenscraft
Cliff Ravenscraft moderator

 @stevelubetkin Steve, I think you hit on one thing that I forget to include in my article.  For many, the reason why they do not immediately fall in love with the technology of podcasting is due to the fact that, way too often, the first podcast they came across was not of high enough quality, either in content or production or both, to appeal to them.  Thankfully, more and more people are creating amazing content that has impressive production quality. 

TommyGKendrick
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 @Cliff Ravenscraft Nice to know podcasting isn't dying since a lot of us just recently got started.  I find myself seeking out more podcasts as my disenchantment with the Clear Channel  syndrome grows.  

 

Still, I do encounter a lot of people who don't 'get it' without an explanation.  Just takes some time. Somebody gets it though because like hubze below I'm well beyond 20,000 downloads in half a year. 

 

Hope you don't mind me pointing out a typo : It’s just that I can not site by... Think it's supposed to be 'sit'..one spell check won't catch.  Big fan of yours, can't say as much for the graphic. 

 

Cliff Ravenscraft
Cliff Ravenscraft moderator

 @TommyGKendrick Thanks for letting me know about the typo.  I've fixed it. :)   There will always be people who don't "get it" without an explanation.  The best thing is that it is easier and easier to explain as more and more people have devices where we can simply install and app and SHOW THEM. ;)  Thanks for the feedback and congrats on your success!

maurye
maurye

@GSPN I see former morning DJ's jumping into podcasting educating the larger listening audience. @leolaporte now refers to it as on demand.

Ron M
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that was a good read. @Cliff Ravenscraft I do agree that podcasting is NOT dead or was to die... but 1 thing I will a say i disagree with is the name "Podcast"still I here people still say "I don't own an apple or Ipod" and I think it because they hear "POD" in podcasting they think they need an Ipod to listen. I know it is changing but still not catching on like we would like it too,.not to say podcasting is Not growing but it is growing more and more. it's just you hear the pod on podcasting stumps people and make them think "if I need an Ipod to listen then I don't care" and then I get that look, I do tell them you DON'T need an Ipod but I still get that look.

 

Cliff Ravenscraft
Cliff Ravenscraft moderator

 @Ron M Thanks Ron.  I have seen a massive shift in people's understanding of the word "podcast."  Yes, there are still some folks who say, "But I don't have an iPod."  However, that happens a GREAT DEAL LESS, today, than it ever has in the past.

 

When was the last time you so a tv commercial for an "iPod"?  That device has been overshadowed by the iPad and iPhone.   I think there is less confusion of the word "pod" than ever, and I believe that as "podcasting" gets more and more mainstream attention, as it is every day, the name will no longer matter.  That is, of course, if someone were to try and go and call a podcast something completely different."

 

As I stated in my article, I dealt with the "What is a blog?" question for many many years before the The Drudge Report and other popular blogs brought forth the mainstream media attention.

 

What is a Tivo?  What is a Dyson?  What is a Kindle?   My guess is that is that most people could answer those questions.  Do those names give you any indication as to what they are, without explanation?  Nope!  However, they are recognizable names because they are now mainstream.

 

Podcasting has already started to enter the mainstream space.    There will always be blogs and there will always be podcasts. That's just what they are called. ;) 

hubze
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I agree @Cliff Ravenscraft !! Thanks for the post. I have been doing one for a few months and it now has well over 20,000 downloads and that is more views that my entire blog has per week. So I would have to say this person either does not have a very successful podcast, or just does not do research and shoots from the hip.

Cliff Ravenscraft
Cliff Ravenscraft moderator

 @hubze David, congrats on the success of your podcast!  Thanks for reading my thoughts on the matter. :)

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